Moscow, Pushkinskaya square, 5 may 2018
Andrey Pivovarov ("Open Russia"), Sergey Davidis ("Memorial" Konstantin Jankauskas ("Solidarity") in the discussion of nationwide protests "He’s not the king". Leading Elena Rykovtseva.
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Elena Rykovtseva: What kind of events do you all know. It turns out that a lot of people do not want to be in the country. We will discuss with our guests how it happened, why it happened, how it began, how it ended. Andrei Pivovarov is with us, the new Chairman of the “Open Russia”, Konstantin Jankauskas, politician, activist, member of movement “Solidarity” Sergey Davidis, the society “memorial”. I’ll show you what happens on Malaya Dmitrovka street, I shot this right outside our building. Feast your eyes on these beautiful paintings, theatrical Moscow. People going to the theater, go past and are soldiers.
Elena Rykovtseva This movement of armed men was observed in the Malaya Dmitrovka all the last half hour, they chained up a long, long chain down the street. It turned out that they were not there, there was nobody there, there was a riot. Young people who were forced out of Pushkin. And so it happened. My eyes were these detentions, drove paddy wagons, and all who were not clean there, clean here. What are your impressions of today’s action? She was, I think, more numerous than usual.
Konstantin Jankauskas: I think it is not so much the number, the important fact that such shares are held. Because we expect the return of the whole country. That is, we expect six years of stagnation. In this situation, it is right that people come out, say, and we do not want to live. We do not want to live with this government of corruption, with this government of stagnation, with this government full of hopelessness, full of social degradation. Even if it’s people, two to three times, still, everyone who came out, would be very important and valuable. Because it is important in itself. You can disagree, write a post on Facebook, can work to talk about it, but if you enter the square is much more important. ,,,,,,. There were a lot of young people, again such a power, I really like the energy of freedom. That is the fact that people are detained in a fairly rough shape, still not that fun, but such a joy, that is, out free people. This is very important, very valuable.
Elena Rykovtseva: I’ll show you the Moscow shares like today’s Moscow shares. I made this video from the balcony of the cinema “Russia” where some time had passed the press.
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Elena Rykovtseva: We stood a few people, journalists, and suddenly, at some point, coming to us a group of “astronauts” and said: all over the balcony. I say, why these guys, these men continue to stand here? And there are several men in civilian clothes next to me along with other journalists. “But because it is our employees.” Next to the press stood and continued to watch the undercover officers would not be able to distinguish from any other. But there were many people. I do not remember getting out of the way. Sergey, your opinion about today’s action?
Sergey Davidis: People, I think, was comparable to the first action on March 26 last year. The density of people and the duration of the event. It is adequately about, it is not just about the publication of some movie, not another investigation that is important, and events that define the future of the country, unfortunately, in the years ahead. What is particularly outrageous is the people filed a notice for a peaceful demonstration. Obviously, no harm to people even held in Tver, although he considered other options along the boulevards, I think, would agree, a normal procession in the center. Reason is adequate to ensure that people are at the center of the process of carrying out a public action, expressed their opinion, not on the margins, not on the heel about three stations. Illegally denied approval, people are on the sidewalk, on the pedestrian zone. No way anybody do not cause harm to your stay, even if they have posters. Throw at people detained, displaced over and over again. This time we saw one unpleasant innovation, the legitimation of violence, not even the state, these idiotic Rogovtsev, mummers. And it provokes counter-violence. I’m afraid to be wrong. It is entirely the responsibility and fault of the state. The state without any reason violent to people, it’s a normal life in the city. We followed along Tverskaya, it is impossible to pass. Are the police the chain and do not give the normal people of their city to move around.
Elena Rykovtseva: NOD, as you said, we have these pictures, it really is real provocation. They would have to dissolve the idea of the police. Let this unauthorized action, but you know, what type this action. And when you see these people with absolutely other slogans, it is clear that will clash, and they provoke them to this hassle.
Sergey Davidis: I do not think it is their spontaneous private initiative.
Elena Rykovtseva: Nod is led by the Deputy of the State.
Sergey Davidis: Consistent with government action. And also quite obvious double standards. If the pathetic placard “we are not a king,” catches the crowd of riot police, their flags, their whips, their posters do not cause any reaction. And those who were detained, got out to protest.
Elena Rykovtseva: Yesterday I was struck by the Interfax the message of the Moscow city hall: this is because of the Muscovites walk. They understand that people still come out, the traffic still stops. It stopped. First, there is no holiday, today is just Saturday, no walking in Moscow. May 1 at Pushkin square at 11 am well I flew the lone Petrel Zhirinovsky. Empty space, empty Tverskaya square, all went to the Red Square, the trade unions, empty empty Pushkin, go – do not want. Why are these people in the city hall so cling to their Tverskaya street?
Andrey Pivovarov: It seems to me that such cynicism of the municipality, which is trying to prohibit any event. Does not make sense to seek. I would argue with your thesis. Today we met three of us together, saw each other just a few hours ago, the square was full of smiling, hugging. In fact, whatever said the holiday was. We often talk about the police, about the arrest, Gopnik lucky with ribbons, which just kicks out from the crowd. We saw a huge number of people that came out, it was bright, mostly young faces. These were people who believed that what is happening in the country, they do not like. The feast we made ourselves. Therefore, the focus on this need. It was important, it was successful, it was awesome from the point of view of the content, from the perspective of the people. This event was held in Moscow, we are now in “Open Russia”. There are cities where it is more difficult to engage in social activities, because less press, less organization. Voronezh, people came to the police station, surrounded it and demanded the release of detainees is a civic act. In St. Petersburg people were trying to build barricades in the Nevsky Prospekt. That is, civil society, people understand that there is another six years of Putin’s regime take to the streets and say “no”. Six years ago, we carried out at the same time, March of millions in Moscow, the mood was less positive. Today people go out on the street, even understanding that the elections were out on the street, claim their rights. The fact that people today do not agree with this, arrange a celebration of democracy on the streets is very important, and it’s happening all over the country.